I have no sense of being famous - you're just working. And then

Host: The room feels calm and still, with only the soft hum of the world outside gently filtering in. Jack sits with his legs crossed, his eyes lost in thought as he reflects on Karen Gillan's words: "I have no sense of being famous - you're just working. And then you'll have a random day in London when you'll do some press and it creeps into your awareness that this goes out - that what you do every day goes out to televisions right across the country." Jeeny, across from him, watches him with a quiet understanding, sensing the deeper layers of meaning behind the quote.

Jack: (his voice thoughtful) "Karen Gillan’s quote really made me think about the way fame works. She says she doesn’t have a sense of being famous, that it’s just about doing the work. But then there are these moments when the reality of what she does hits her—the idea that her work is being broadcast, reaching so many people. It’s interesting because she’s acknowledging how surreal it can be, how the impact of your work can feel disconnected from the actual process of doing it. She’s just working, but the world sees it differently."

Jeeny: (nodding gently, her voice calm) "Yes, exactly. I think what she’s saying is that fame, or the idea of being famous, isn’t something she actively pursues. For her, it’s more about the work—the process of doing what she loves. Fame is something that comes with that work, but it’s not what drives her. It’s an interesting perspective, because so often people focus on fame as the end goal, but for her, it seems secondary to the craft itself. The reality of fame creeps in when she realizes just how far her work reaches."

Jack: (pausing, his voice reflective) "It’s almost like she’s distancing herself from the idea of fame. The work is the constant, and fame is just this external element that comes with it. In a way, it almost makes fame feel less important—like it’s just part of the job, not the reason for doing the job."

Jeeny: (smiling softly) "Exactly. And I think it’s refreshing to hear that perspective, especially in a world where fame is often the driving force behind people’s actions. She’s focused on the work itself, and when fame comes along, she doesn’t let it change her approach. It’s almost as though she’s keeping her focus on what matters most—doing what she loves, without getting caught up in the external recognition."

Host: The room feels quieter now, the weight of their conversation settling in. Jack looks out the window for a moment, his expression softened by the realization that sometimes, the most authentic approach to life is to focus on the work itself and let everything else fall into place. Jeeny sits with a gentle smile, her presence steady, offering a quiet reassurance that fame doesn’t have to define us.

Jack: (with a small smile, his voice gentler) "I think the way she describes it makes me realize that fame doesn’t have to be the center of everything. The work itself, the daily dedication, is what truly matters. Fame can be an afterthought, a consequence of doing something well, but it’s the passion for the craft that keeps you grounded."

Jeeny: (nodding, her tone warm) "Yes, and that’s what makes her perspective so refreshing. Fame can sometimes overshadow everything else, but when you stay focused on the craft, the work itself, everything else becomes secondary. It’s a reminder that authenticity lies in staying true to what you’re doing, not in how many people are watching."

Host: The conversation lingers, filled with a quiet understanding. Fame, as they’ve discussed, is just a byproduct of doing something well, but it’s the work—the dedication to the craft—that gives life its true meaning. Jack and Jeeny sit in the stillness, reflecting on the idea that the essence of success lies not in recognition, but in the passion that fuels the work itself. The evening light outside is almost gone, but the clarity of their thoughts remains.