The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag

The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag

22/09/2025
25/10/2025

The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag, although I didn't see them that way. It confused people when we put out Saccharine Trust, too.

The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag, although I didn't see them that way. It confused people when we put out Saccharine Trust, too.
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag, although I didn't see them that way. It confused people when we put out Saccharine Trust, too.
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag, although I didn't see them that way. It confused people when we put out Saccharine Trust, too.
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag, although I didn't see them that way. It confused people when we put out Saccharine Trust, too.
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag, although I didn't see them that way. It confused people when we put out Saccharine Trust, too.
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag, although I didn't see them that way. It confused people when we put out Saccharine Trust, too.
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag, although I didn't see them that way. It confused people when we put out Saccharine Trust, too.
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag, although I didn't see them that way. It confused people when we put out Saccharine Trust, too.
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag, although I didn't see them that way. It confused people when we put out Saccharine Trust, too.
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag
The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag

Hearken to the words of Greg Ginn, a pioneer whose voice arose from the storm of rebellion and sound: “The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag, although I didn’t see them that way. It confused people when we put out Saccharine Trust, too.” In this saying lies the struggle of those who bear new forms before the eyes of the world: the struggle of definition, of perception, of truth against the shadows of misunderstanding. For men ever seek to place things into boxes, to call one path “art” and another “rage,” yet the living spirit resists such cages.

The Minutemen, in the vision of the people, were seen as craftsmen of thought, their music like brushstrokes on canvas, subtle, experimental, and strange. Meanwhile, Black Flag thundered with raw power, a banner of anger and defiance, a voice for the restless and the dispossessed. But Ginn, the architect of dissonance, saw no division as others did. To him, each bore the same pulse, the same truth: expressions of freedom, unbound by false divisions of art and fury. In his eyes, both were weapons and instruments, cut from the same cloth of rebellion.

And when Saccharine Trust was brought forth, the people’s confusion deepened. For here was a sound that shattered their expectations entirely—fragmented, poetic, bewildering. They who sought easy labels could not comprehend it, for it broke the fragile walls they had built between art and chaos, between beauty and rawness. Thus, the words of Ginn remind us that visionaries are not bound by the categories that others try to impose; they see beyond the lines, into the vastness where creation cannot be named.

Think upon Galileo, who lifted his eyes to the heavens with his telescope. The people saw planets only as dots of light, but he saw them as worlds, moving in patterns unimagined. They condemned him, not because his truth was false, but because it confused the categories they trusted. The Earth was no longer the center, the cosmos no longer fixed. In like manner, Ginn’s works bewildered, not for lack of truth, but because they shattered false boundaries. What was called art was simply music; what was called chaos was simply truth.

Thus we learn: confusion is the herald of transformation. When the new arrives, it often wears garments the old cannot recognize. The crowds will murmur, critics will scorn, and the unready will seek to explain away what they cannot contain. But those who walk the path of creation must not bend to these voices. They must stand, as Ginn did, resolute in their vision, knowing that time itself will vindicate them, and that the seeds of confusion may grow into forests of new understanding.

Mark this lesson, O seeker: do not fear when your work is misunderstood. Do not tremble when others say, “This is not art,” or “This is not what we expected.” For the very act of breaking expectation is proof that you are moving where few have dared. Embrace the bewilderment you cause, for it is the doorway through which true change enters the world.

Practical wisdom follows: if you would create, then create fully. If you would build, then build without apology. Let others name your work as they will—whether they call it art, rage, or confusion. Do not waste your breath arguing, but continue to make, to reveal, to offer. For in time, your truth will shine through the fog, and what was once mocked will become the pillar upon which others stand.

So let the words of Greg Ginn resound in your heart: that the world’s confusion is not your enemy, but your witness. Live, therefore, as the ancients counseled—true to your vision, steadfast in your craft, and fearless in the face of misunderstanding. For only thus do the makers of worlds leave behind more than echoes; they leave legacies.

Have 6 Comment The Minutemen were seen as more of an art thing than Black Flag

NLNguyen Linh

This quote highlights the tension between an artist’s vision and how the audience perceives it. Ginn didn’t see The Minutemen as ‘an art thing,’ but people did. It’s interesting how art can be interpreted so differently depending on the listener’s background or expectations. How does this affect the way a band moves forward creatively? Do they try to shift perceptions, or is it more about staying true to their vision despite how people may react?

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TDthuy duong

It’s intriguing how Ginn talks about how the public viewed The Minutemen and Saccharine Trust in a way that didn’t align with his intentions. This makes me wonder about the internal versus external expectations of a band’s identity. Does an artist have control over how they’re perceived, or is it ultimately the audience that shapes their narrative? Is there a point where an artist has to embrace being misunderstood, or is that a sign of creative failure?

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HAHai Anh

Ginn’s remark on Saccharine Trust and The Minutemen not fitting the typical mold of hardcore or punk raises an interesting point about genre and identity. Is it possible for bands to move beyond the labels people place on them, or do those perceptions always follow them? It must have been frustrating for Ginn to see his work being reduced to something people ‘got’ or ‘didn’t get.’ Do genre labels limit creativity, or do they give bands a sense of belonging?

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CVKim Chi Vo

This quote makes me think about the pressure artists face to conform to certain expectations within a genre. Ginn seems to be pushing back against that by saying that The Minutemen weren’t just an ‘art thing’ despite how people viewed them. Do artists like Ginn feel burdened by their fanbase’s perceptions of what they should be? Or is it more about the freedom to create without those limitations, even if it confuses people in the process?

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KTNguyen Ha Kieu Thu

Greg Ginn’s comment highlights how easily public perception can be influenced by the broader context of a scene or genre. It makes me think about how expectations shape what people think of certain bands. What exactly made Saccharine Trust confuse people, though? Was it a radical shift in sound or approach? It seems like this was a pivotal moment for Ginn and his peers. How did it feel for them to be misunderstood or misclassified like that?

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