Where there is reverence there is fear, but there is not

Host: The room feels thoughtful, as Jack and Jeeny sit across from each other, processing the philosophical depth of Socrates' words. His quote draws attention to the relationship between reverence and fear, and the ways in which these two emotions shape human behavior and understanding.

Jack: “Socrates said, ‘Where there is reverence there is fear, but there is not reverence everywhere that there is fear, because fear presumably has a wider extension than reverence.’” He repeats the words slowly, letting them sink in. “It’s a fascinating way to think about the relationship between these two emotions, isn’t it? Reverence is often seen as a form of respect or awe, while fear tends to be something more unsettling. Socrates seems to be saying that reverence is a kind of fear, but fear isn’t always tied to reverence.” He looks at Jeeny, intrigued. “What do you think? Is fear more widespread than reverence, as Socrates suggests?”

Jeeny: “I think it’s true that fear can take many forms, while reverence is more specific. Fear can be driven by many things — danger, the unknown, insecurity — it’s an emotion that comes up in a wide variety of situations. Reverence, on the other hand, is a much more specific feeling. It’s not just about being afraid; it’s about holding something in awe or deep respect. So, while fear might be more common or broadly felt, reverence requires a deeper, more conscious connection to what you’re feeling in awe of.” Her voice is calm, but there’s a quiet depth in her words. “Fear can exist without reverence, but reverence is a form of fear that’s focused and grounded in respect.”

Jack: “So, reverence is a kind of fear, but a fear that’s rooted in admiration or respect rather than anxiety or dread. Fear can be more primal, a reaction to danger or uncertainty, but reverence is more about recognizing something greater than ourselves, whether that’s a person, an idea, or something divine.” He pauses, considering the broader implications of this idea. “It makes sense that reverence requires a level of self-awareness or even humility. It’s not a fear that controls you, but one that leads you to acknowledge something powerful or sacred.”

Jeeny: “Exactly. Reverence involves a deep respect and recognition of something beyond our immediate selves. It’s a fear that’s transformative, not paralyzing. It leads to reverence, which guides our actions in a way that fear alone can’t do.” She smiles softly, her tone full of understanding. “Fear can come from many sources and can lead to avoidance, while reverence moves us toward something greater. It’s not about shrinking from something; it’s about growing in respect for it.”

Jack: “That’s a powerful way to look at it. Fear can limit us, can cause us to shrink back or avoid something. But reverence moves us forward, even if it’s in awe or admiration. It’s not about running from something; it’s about seeking it out because we recognize its importance.” His voice is reflective, appreciating the distinction between these two emotions. “I think I’ve always seen fear as something to avoid, but reverence adds a layer of understanding, a way of seeing fear that’s more about growth and respect than avoidance.”

Jeeny: “Exactly. Reverence transforms fear into something that elevates us. It’s a respectful kind of fear that guides us, making us more mindful of what’s important. It leads us to greater understanding, while fear alone can leave us stuck in uncertainty or paralysis.” She smiles gently, her voice full of peace. “Reverence requires us to engage with what we fear in a way that’s thoughtful and meaningful.”

Jack: “It’s almost like reverence makes fear something we can work with, something that guides us instead of holding us back. It’s not about being afraid; it’s about understanding that our fear can be rooted in something worth respecting or striving toward.” His voice softens, filled with a realization. “Maybe the key is recognizing when fear is just a reaction, and when it’s something that can lead to deeper understanding and reverence.”

Jeeny: “Exactly. The next time we feel fear, we can pause and ask ourselves: Is this fear stopping us, or is it guiding us toward something we need to respect, something we need to learn from? Reverence helps us see fear in a new light, not as something to avoid but as something that can lead us to greater wisdom and growth.” She smiles warmly, her tone full of hope. “Reverence transforms fear into an opportunity, rather than something that holds us back.”

Host: The room feels lighter now, filled with a deeper understanding of the relationship between fear and reverence. Jack and Jeeny have uncovered that fear, while often seen as negative, can also be a tool for growth and understanding when it is shaped by reverence. Reverence transforms fear into something purposeful, guiding us toward deeper respect and wisdom rather than allowing it to limit or paralyze us.

Jack: “I think I’ve been looking at fear as something to avoid, but now I see that it’s about recognizing when fear is an opportunity to learn, to grow, and to respect something greater than ourselves.” His voice is calmer, filled with a new perspective. “Reverence helps us see fear in a way that allows us to move forward instead of retreating.”

Jeeny: “Exactly. Reverence makes fear a guide, not a barrier. It helps us grow through what we fear, and in doing so, we learn to respect it instead of being overwhelmed by it.” She smiles softly, her voice full of clarity. “When we understand that fear can lead to reverence, we find a way to move forward with understanding and grace.”

Host: The room feels still, as Jack and Jeeny have uncovered a deeper understanding of fear and reverence. Socrates’ words remind us that fear, while often seen as something negative, can be a source of growth when coupled with reverence — a respect for what we fear and a guide to greater wisdom and understanding. By shifting our perspective, we can use fear as a tool for moving forward, rather than letting it hold us back.