But things move in circles: one minute it's the models who are

Host: The evening feels light, but there's an underlying curiosity in the air as Jack and Jeeny sit together, reflecting on Rachel Hunter’s words. The concept of fame and its shifting nature brings up a broader conversation about the cycles of popularity and the ways society elevates different types of people. Jack looks at Jeeny, considering the implications of the statement.

Jeeny: "Rachel Hunter once said, 'But things move in circles: one minute it's the models who are famous, then it's the actresses, then it's the designers.' It’s so true, isn’t it? Fame has this cyclical nature—people rise to the top, then fade away, only to be replaced by a new group of individuals. What do you think she’s getting at with this idea?"

Jack: He nods slowly, clearly engaged with the thought. "I think Hunter is pointing out how fame is often fleeting and transitory. One moment, it’s all about the models; the next, the spotlight is on actresses, and then designers, or even social media influencers. It’s a cycle that reflects how society's attention is constantly shifting. Fame is never fixed—it’s always in flux, and it seems like each wave brings a new group to the forefront." He pauses, his voice softening. "It speaks to how trends shape who we look up to, who we admire, and who becomes the center of attention."

Jeeny: "Yes! It’s almost like fame is a passing current, and whoever is caught in it is celebrated for a while. But once that current shifts, so does the attention. What’s in vogue, what’s desirable, changes, and it carries different people with it. And it’s not just about talent or achievement—it’s about timing, about who is aligned with what society values at any given moment." She smiles thoughtfully. "It makes you wonder, though, what happens to the people who fade out of the spotlight. Do they feel like they’ve missed their chance, or do they just move on to something else?"

Jack: "That’s an interesting point. I think there’s a kind of pressure that comes with being in the spotlight, knowing that it can disappear as quickly as it arrived. For people who’ve been in that cycle of fame, it must be difficult to deal with the fact that their time at the top can be so temporary. But I also think that for some, the ability to adapt and find meaning outside of that public recognition is what allows them to thrive in the long run." He shrugs lightly. "Maybe the key is to find purpose beyond the fame—to not let it define you, but to keep doing what you love regardless of who’s paying attention."

Jeeny: "That’s the challenge, isn’t it? Finding your sense of self outside of the external validation that fame provides. The people who manage to navigate those cycles are the ones who focus on their work and their craft, not just the recognition that comes with it. In a way, fame is just a byproduct of what they do, not the reason they do it." She smiles, clearly reflecting on the thought. "It’s about maintaining integrity and purpose, no matter where the current of popularity takes you."

Jack: "Exactly. It’s like, you have to focus on what you create, what you contribute, and not just on the fame itself. If you’re constantly chasing the next wave of recognition, you’ll always be looking over your shoulder, never satisfied with where you are. But if you’re creating meaningful work, the recognition becomes secondary. You get to ride the wave, but you don’t get lost in it." He pauses, his voice becoming more reflective. "I think Hunter’s point is that, ultimately, fame is just a cycle—and if you’re lucky enough to catch it, you ride it for as long as you can. But it’s not the destination—it’s part of the journey."

Jeeny: "Right. Fame, in the end, is just a phase. It’s the work that stays, the contributions you make that resonate long after the spotlight fades. The challenge is learning how to embrace the moment, but not let it define you." She smiles, her eyes lighting up. "And I think that’s the wisdom in Hunter’s words. Fame may come and go, but what you put into the world is what really matters."

Host: The room feels still now, the weight of the conversation sinking in. Rachel Hunter’s words serve as a reminder that fame, while often fleeting and cyclical, is not the ultimate measure of success. It’s the work, the purpose, and the integrity behind the person that defines who they are, not just the waves of popularity that come and go.

As the evening continues, Jack and Jeeny sit with the realization that true success isn’t found in the external validation of fame, but in the work you do and the impact you make, whether or not the spotlight is shining on you at that moment. Fame may move in circles, but the legacy of meaningful work has the power to transcend those cycles.